Governor Scott Wants Private Schools Held To Same Standards As Public

Governor Scott wants the students at private schools, especially those who receive state funding to go, to take the same standards and tests that public school students do. The article states he wants those tests for the ones who receive vouchers to go to the schools... He believes parents should have a choice on what school their children go to and that he wants to see the public funding program increased BUT he wants those students to take the same testing as public schools. Most private schools do some sort of standard testing just not the FCAT. (which sooo many people have problems with) 

Do you think that these students should have to take the same test that others do? What do you think?

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Well, I don't think that private schools should get any funding to begin with. I don't think that public funds should go to vouchers for kids to go to private schools since most private schools have their own scholorship programs. so therefor if the private schools weren't getting public money the government couldn't really stick their nose into their business. Also those public funds should be going to public schools. BUT if you're getting public funds and recieving vouchers that are from public funds then you're apt to have to do what the rest of the public has to and deal with that god awful FCAT

I think that PUBLIC SCHOOLS should be held to the same standard as PRIVATE SCHOOLS and then we wouldn't have to pass so many kids that can't read, write or do math by the time they get to the 12th grade.

I understand your stance but I believe the state actually pays less for the vouchers.  From what I've read and understand, the low-income scholarship pays about $4300/year whereas the average per pupil spending (public school) in Florida is over $9000.  There could be more to the issue - seems there always is when it comes to politics and school funding, but just another point to consider...
 
2girlsmom said:

Well, I don't think that private schools should get any funding to begin with. I don't think that public funds should go to vouchers for kids to go to private schools since most private schools have their own scholorship programs. so therefor if the private schools weren't getting public money the government couldn't really stick their nose into their business. Also those public funds should be going to public schools. BUT if you're getting public funds and recieving vouchers that are from public funds then you're apt to have to do what the rest of the public has to and deal with that god awful FCAT

Many times parents will send their children to a private school because the child does not perform well on the state-mandated tests. 

The "proof of the puddin" is when the student takes the ACT or SAT to get into college.  When checking out a private school, ask about the trend of the juniors and seniors in that school concerning those tests.

The FCAT is being phased out, and in its place will (I HOPE!) come a test that will be based on common core knowledge.

Private schools can receive money from the state in the form of the MacKay scholarship and the other voucher.(not sure of the name)  If they receive money from the state, they should have some responsibility to show how well they are using that money to educate the children in their care.

The main issue is that until private schools are required to take all students they shouldn't be allowed to take public funds. Yes, public schools per student rate is higher. But my sons school has no choice in who they have to take. They have to allow ALL students to attend. That includes students with special needs, which is much more expensive than having an average to above average student by a lot. Of course over all the private schools will score better, they only have the kids that they want. I guarantee, that if you put the kids from N.H. Jones, which you have to test into because it's a charter school, N.H. Jones would out score them in every category. 

The state provides vouchers which ar public tax payer money to people to go to private schools. So therefore, some private schools do recieve public funds. Not all private schools accept the vouchers I don't know if OCA does or not yet for those that do recieve public vouchers then yes the public and government has a right to test those kids.

Blessed Mom said:

Private schools do not receive anything from the public school system. They have their own scholarship programs. I know. My kids were at OCA>

2girlsmom said:

Well, I don't think that private schools should get any funding to begin with. I don't think that public funds should go to vouchers for kids to go to private schools since most private schools have their own scholorship programs. so therefor if the private schools weren't getting public money the government couldn't really stick their nose into their business. Also those public funds should be going to public schools. BUT if you're getting public funds and recieving vouchers that are from public funds then you're apt to have to do what the rest of the public has to and deal with that god awful FCAT

The SAT and ACT are college entarnce test I'm sure they test at private schools I think you may be thinking of  the SSAT which use to be a public school test as well till this stupid FCAT came along. As for the other I don't know your kid  nor you so don't take this personally. However, I know of more than a few people that either went to private schools or sent their kids to one and they got great grades then switched to public school and got crappy grades. Some of those the case was one of the parents pay ALOT of money to the schools beyond tuiton so let's make sure my kids get good grades. Basically parents paying the school off. Others the teachers weren't certified to teach so therefore the kids weren't learning what they were suppose to. And lastly, you have the ones that the private school has lower standards than the public and the kids don't fare as well.

Also you are not the first person that has told me their kids did great at OCA but horrible in public schools so it makes me wonder if either their teachers are not certified or if their curriculum is not as difficult at the public schools.

Blessed Mom said:

I am so upset with Rick Scott. I voted for him and for what? Anyhow, I am not a firm believer in FCAT testing. My daughter was at a private school and we did have the scholarship to help out with the cost. They do SAT testing instead of FCAT. My daughter scored really well on the SAT. She is now back at an elementary schooling with a D in reading and an F in math? This is 3rd grade. She went from all "A" to lower grades.Private schools have nothing to do with public and should be able to do as they wish in terms of these dumb tests. What about the kids with test anxiety? These tests should not be used as a condition of whether you pass or fail. If he plans on doing this, then he might as well say the Christian Curriculum taught at home where the child has books and is evaluated; they should have to take the FCAT too. Scott hopefully will not run again or hopefully doesn't get elected for another term.first

I have bad news for you blessed mom, many of the scholarships OCA and other area private schools accept (McKay, Step up for Kids, etc. are subsidized by the Department of Education....so yes, they do receive something from them. And, when you take their money, they want you to take their strings.  
 
Blessed Mom said:

Private schools do not receive anything from the public school system. They have their own scholarship programs. I know. My kids were at OCA>

2girlsmom said:

Well, I don't think that private schools should get any funding to begin with. I don't think that public funds should go to vouchers for kids to go to private schools since most private schools have their own scholorship programs. so therefor if the private schools weren't getting public money the government couldn't really stick their nose into their business. Also those public funds should be going to public schools. BUT if you're getting public funds and recieving vouchers that are from public funds then you're apt to have to do what the rest of the public has to and deal with that god awful FCAT

No, they aren't going away from state standards they are just changing. FCAT is going away in 2 years and will be replaced by the PARCC assessment. It's just another name for a standardized test. 

soccer mom said:

People who choose to send their kids to private school also pay the taxes generated for public school education...and also FCAT will be history in the very near future....the whole county is moving towards assessing students on a common core and doing away with state standards

I have heard of similar situations concerning OCA that the students were not ready for public and college math and science.  How will the state check up on the private schools' scores when the teachers themselves are not required to be state certified?  Seems like they need to address that problem first.

 

2girlsmom said:

The SAT and ACT are college entarnce test I'm sure they test at private schools I think you may be thinking of  the SSAT which use to be a public school test as well till this stupid FCAT came along. As for the other I don't know your kid  nor you so don't take this personally. However, I know of more than a few people that either went to private schools or sent their kids to one and they got great grades then switched to public school and got crappy grades. Some of those the case was one of the parents pay ALOT of money to the schools beyond tuiton so let's make sure my kids get good grades. Basically parents paying the school off. Others the teachers weren't certified to teach so therefore the kids weren't learning what they were suppose to. And lastly, you have the ones that the private school has lower standards than the public and the kids don't fare as well.

Also you are not the first person that has told me their kids did great at OCA but horrible in public schools so it makes me wonder if either their teachers are not certified or if their curriculum is not as difficult at the public schools.

Blessed Mom said:

I am so upset with Rick Scott. I voted for him and for what? Anyhow, I am not a firm believer in FCAT testing. My daughter was at a private school and we did have the scholarship to help out with the cost. They do SAT testing instead of FCAT. My daughter scored really well on the SAT. She is now back at an elementary schooling with a D in reading and an F in math? This is 3rd grade. She went from all "A" to lower grades.Private schools have nothing to do with public and should be able to do as they wish in terms of these dumb tests. What about the kids with test anxiety? These tests should not be used as a condition of whether you pass or fail. If he plans on doing this, then he might as well say the Christian Curriculum taught at home where the child has books and is evaluated; they should have to take the FCAT too. Scott hopefully will not run again or hopefully doesn't get elected for another term.first

My two boys attend a private school here in Ocala. The school was formed by parents 30 years ago. It is not funded by anything BUT solely tuition. No Church nor Scholarships from the government also known as vouchers are accepted at this school. Approximately 200 student are enrolled k3 thru 8th grade. We follow the STEM program and also follow a high standard of curriculum. Our students have to pass standardized test as too the public schools. We are monitored thru a national private school organization in which we as a whole are graded on performance. To this date this school is known to have more students than any other private OR public middle school to graduate students from the 8th that move onto the public high schools higher programs such as Emit. Also to this date the majority of Graduating Seniors who are selected Valvictorians and Salutitorians have attended this school.
Our school does NOT ask for help from the government AND has proven we are NOT less educated but have a higher level of education than most public school children
Iam very protective of private schools myself being a product from private school and a college degree. It upsets me to think that ones who haven't had the opportunity to be a part of the private school system here in Marion county or for this school say such things as we are not as educated as a public school child.

Yes, private schools take public money in the form of MacKay Scholarships and Step Up For Students.  And having worked in both private and public schools, I can see both sides of the issue.  The problem with holding private schools to the same testing accountability as public schools is that the curriculum is so different that it would be an unfair assessment.  This is why private schools use other testing methods which are more geared toward what and how they are teaching.

Private schools almost all use some large scale standardized test system to monitor their students' growth and compare them to others around the country to assess competence and they are overseen and (usually) accredited by an outside governing agency.  Just because that agency isn't the state doesn't mean the level of academic rigor isn't excellent.  The SAT (Stanford Achievement Test) and the TerraNova are the two that are most prevalent and they are high quality exams which are comparable to the FCAT in many ways.  The difference is that these exams are not used to pass or fail students or to measure teacher ability. 

By requiring the FCAT in private schools, you will then be defeating the one of the main purposes we send our students there:  teaching to the test instead of actual teaching to learn.  And for those of you who say that they are not teaching to the test, let me assure you, you would be wrong. 

Private school is private for a reason...my kid is there for a reason...how about you let me worry about whether it is preparing him for his future?  I don't need the public system making those calls for me.

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